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PSIFF 2012—ENDNOTES

"The film festival is a parallel universe: detached from reality and more fictional than the sum of its constituent narratives."Jay Kuehner

Jay Kuehner's wry observation holds especially true for the Palm Springs International Film Festival (PSIFF) for a number of reasons. First and foremost, the weather. When I attended previous editions of PSIFF, it was to get away from fogbound San Francisco. Now it's to get away from snowbound Idaho. Either way, walking around in short sleeves and sandals feels decadent and irreal, though most welcome. Not that it's always been beautiful when I've been in Palm Springs—I recall rain one year, and wind that had me running in terror from falling palm fronds—but, as a whole, yes, PSIFF consistently sports fair weather that is definitely detached from the reality on the homefront; a parallel universe, indeed.

Also, I attend PSIFF primarily to take advantage of their Awards Buzz sidebar, which features a curated selection of the official submissions to the foreign language category of the Academy Awards®. As the last promotional stand to lobby for inclusion on the Academy short list, PSIFF offers many of these foreign directors in attendance; but, the questions always remain: are these really the
best films of their respective countries or are they selections second-guessed by national committees to court Academy members? Further, does the concept of a national cinema still have currency in the age of international co-productions? How real is PSIFF's curated program of foreign films in contrast to all that is overlooked and omitted in world cinema? And how accurately do these foreign entries reflect a global film culture when so many of them simply disappear from distribution after their last stand in Palm Springs?

Then, again, there is the frequently-stated concern—addressed by Robert Koehler in his feather-ruffling dispatch to indieWire—that the festival is held hostage by its predominantly senior audience and their likes and dislikes. I always appreciate hearing Robert Koehler complain about film festivals—an ongoing and necessary critique to programmers, I suggest—even as
my reality is more that I am one of the senior citizens he's criticizing, which is very much a reality from which I would prefer to be detached. As Chris Fujiwara has sagely suggested elsewhere, every festival filmgoer experiences their own private film festival, especially at events like PSIFF, which—despite Koehler's complaints—offer a fair and wide sampling of films. Koehler is on assignment so he might often have to watch films that are not as good as the ones I've researched and know to have some pedigree. Possibly he's already seen many of the best at other festivals? With a little homework, I ordinarily have a rewarding experience at PSIFF, catching up on titles that I didn't catch at the Toronto International (TIFF), especially Latin American entries curatorially distinguished from those at TIFF. Besides, those senior citizens know stuff! A quite pleasant old lady taught me the word "Triskaidekaphobia" on Friday, the 13th.

But even all these valid concerns dissipate for me among the consistent pleasures gleaned from attending PSIFF. I always enjoy Udo Kier making appearances in the press lounge. That, in itself, always seems a bit detached from reality. I enjoy the challenge of trying to find good places to eat near the festival village, when the crudité, Pop Chips and energy drinks in the press room wear out their welcome. This year I was very sorry to see the carry away sandwich and soup services of Blame It On Midnight vanish with that restaurant's demise, as well as the dinner deals at the Spa Resort Casino. Sherman's Deli is good, of course, if you don't mind paying those prices and standing in timesinking lines. This go-round I became enamored with Lulu who had the most decent cup of coffee I could find in Palm Springs as well as a tasty breakfast menu at affordable prices within a comfortable environment. Another great find was Woody's Burgers and Beer where for $8.00 I could get a great-tasting cheeseburger with crispy fries, and even shake it up by substituting chicken for the beef (at no extra cost). Speaking of shakes, their caramel shakes were to
die for. Then, of course, there's always Mexican food at Las Casuelas Terraza where—inbetween eating my enchiladas suizas—I could channel St. Francis and feed flocks of little birds with bits of tortilla chips.

But what is this: a food blog? No, no, no. With my Latinbeat preview; reviews of Geraldo Naranjo's Miss Bala (Miss Bullet, 2011) and Béla Tarr's A Torinói Ló (The Turin Horse, 2011);
six (count 'em!) interviews transcribed and under my belt—Agustí Villaronga and Isona Passola for Pa Negre (Black Bread, 2010), José Padilha for Tropa de Elite: O Inimigo Agora E Outro (Elite Squad: The Enemy Within, 2010), Mark Cousins (The Story of Film: An Odyssey, 2011), Michaël R. Roskam for Rundskop (Bullhead, 2011), Tatiana Huezo for El lugar mas pequeño (The Tiniest Place, 2011) and Markus Schleinzer for Michael (2011)—my coverage of the 2012 Palm Springs International Film Festival draws to a close. There is one final interview in the works and that should be up as soon as possible; but, until then, here are my endnotes regarding the films I saw at PSIFF, arranged alphabetically.

Alois Nebel (dir. Tomáš Lunák, Czech Republic, 2011, 84 min)—I can't deny that Tomáš Luňák's Alois Nebel is gorgeous to look at and that it's one more instance (Persepolis, Waltz With Bashir, Tutsami) of an animated feature bravely embracing adult themes and political concerns; but—much like Christian Volckman's earlier B&W rotoscoped Renaissance (2006)—its dazzling veneer doesn't allow much emotional penetration. Admittedly, a skillful adaptation of an important graphic novel that addresses a Czech history censored until just recently, the narrative stumbles not so much on its own right as in its international presentation. Someone needs to remind foreign film makers bringing their films to PSIFF that it's vital not to place white subtitles on white backgrounds. Not only does this make an already difficult story confusing to follow; but, it fails to impress.

Beast (dir. Christoffer Boe, Denmark, 2011, 83 min)Beast might end up working more as an example of a producer's sleight-of-hand—indulging the director's wish to work with two of his favorite Danish actors within the three weeks they had off in common—than an earnest auteurial statement. Still, within the limited production funds secured and the short shooting schedule provided to make the movie, Boe has clearly had fun with his genre tropes. A touch Rosemary's Baby (Bruno and Maxine should never have moved into that condo), a touch Cronenberg's body horror, part Alien, and part Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf?, Beast delights in being a grab bag of visceral shocks.

Filmbuds Kurt Halfyard and Peter Nelhaus have both recommended Boe's earlier films Reconstruction (2003) and Allegro (2005). Peter wrote up
Allegro at his site Coffee Coffee and More Coffee, in which he links to Nick Dawson's Filmmaker interview with Boe.

Blood of My Blood / Sangue do Meu Sangue (dir. João Canijo, Portugal, 2011, 140 min)—After watching the U.S. premiere of Blood of My Blood, film companion Frako Loden turned to me and quipped, "What's a mother to do?" I responded by quoting Eleanor of Aquitane in The Lion In Winter: "Ah well, what family doesn't have its ups and downs?" As prurient as a telenovela, this sprawling overblown family narrative is redeemed by an effectively claustrophobic sound score and visual stylistics that overlap frames as near approximations of split screen, creating a tense soap opera dense with texture. With so much going on—drug crimes, sibling rivalries, incest, teenage pregnancy, you name it—the family unit becomes a site of exposure and suppression. There's no privacy to be had within this family.

Elena (dir. Andrey Zvyagintsev, Russia, 2011, 109 min)—Winner: Special Jury Prize, A Certain Regard at the Cannes Film Festival and a U.S. premiere at PSIFF. In Zvyagintsev's slow-burning Elena, shadowed interiors characterize not only the film's mise-en-scène but the psychological motivations of its characters. The wealthy patriarch of a family is dying and the question of his inheritance becomes the film's dramatic conflict, especially when an estranged daughter returns to make amends with her father to reclaim her share. As the patriarch's second wife, Elena (in a grounding performance by Nadezhda Markina)—despite knowing her own bloodline is on the "sketchy" side—does whatever she has to do to make sure her fertile progeny win out over the infertility of her step-daughter. Elena's rationalized concern that it would be evil to have her husband's money left to a woman who cannot bear children reminded me of Lyall Watson's fascinating Dark Nature: A Natural History Of Evil (HarperCollins Publishers, New York, 1995), wherein he ranked various criteria to define the nature of evil. One of the strongest definitions of evil consensually adopted around the world, Watson proposed, is anything (or anyone) that counters the preservation of the human species. I thought of this watching Elena's maneuvers to protect her family. She could have easily quoted Watson: "Rules inside the family are easy, the genes take care of that (supra, p. 135)." Elena works with this definition of evil to justify her actions, which Zvyagintsev pursues as a sly metaphor of evolving class relations.

Generation P (dir. Victor Ginzburg, Russia, 2011, 116 min)—A completely different style of Russian film than Elena, and a major box office success in Russia, I got a contact high watching the U.S. premiere of Generation P; a kaleidoscopic drug-fueled satire of post-Soviet existence after the fall of communism, amplified through an advertising lens. Immensely clever and laugh-out-loud funny at points (especially the ads for God). Can't wait to put this one under my tongue again. The film's density and collage-like visual aesthetics accurately simulated what I remember best about various hallucinogenic experiences.

The Good Son / Hyvä Poika (dir. Zaida Bergroth, Finland, 2011, 88 min)—Advertised as a "black comedy", this Finnish film is undeniably more "black" than "comedy." The first third of the movie boasts a rather droll and hilarious party sequence but then the film capsizes into the Finnish We Need To Talk About Illmari. Sorry, Tilda, but sometimes it is the mother's fault.

How Big Is Your Love / Kedach ethabni (dir. Fatma Zohra Zamoum, Algeria, 2011, 98 min)—The North American premiere of the precious but negligible How Big Is Your Love adequately achieved poignancy in its look at the relationship between grandparents and their grandchild; but, was hardly revelatory.

The Invader / L'envahisseur (dir. Nicolas Provost, Belgium, 2011, 95 min)—In recent years I have developed a fondness for Belgian films, which skillfully capitalize on generic tropes to accentuate social issues. The Invader starts off with a provocative shot of a vagina, backs up to reveal a nude woman on a beach who then becomes distracted by the arrival of two black men emerging from the sea; one half-drowned, and the other stunningly virile. A relationship, of sorts, ensues. It's a relationship that has a naturalistic eroticism; but, hints at deeper allegories. Newcomer Issaka Sawadogo is a powerhouse figure in this dark thriller.

José & Pilar / José e Pilar (dir. Miguel Gonçalves Mendes, Portugal, 2010, 117 min)—I need to shout out to Boyd van Hoeij for personally recommending this Portuguese documentary, which is not only a commanding introduction to the life and work of Nobel-laureate Portuguese novelist José Saramago and his wife Pilar del Rio; but, a sensitively crafted document of the demands placed on creative success.

Las Acacias (dir. Pablo Giorgelli, Argentina, 2010, 85 min)—It's clear to me why, at this point, Argentine filmmaker Pablo Giorgelli's debut feature Las Acacias has won 20+ awards on the festival circuit, including the Camera D'Or at the Cannes Film Festival. Las Acacias tells a spare but resonant story, hewing away all excess to reveal perfect sentiment. A film about fathers and loneliness and transformation; it is everything I love about Latin American cinema. Most audiences watching Las Acacias will presume it was easily made with a handheld camera, a couple of actors and a truck; but, this is the elegance of Pablo Giorgelli's artistry: he is a master at complicated simplicity. Anticipate an Evening Class interview with Giorgelli in the near future.

Last Winter / L'hiver dernier (dir. John Shank, Belgium, 2011, 103 min)—My exploration of Belgian cinema continued with the U.S. premiere of first-time director John Shank's Last Winter, which reveals a new talent to keep an eye on. This gentle, melancholic story about the disappearance of yet one more rural way of life rests on the understated and sympathetic performance of Vincent Rottiers. Lacking pretension (as suggested by colleague Robert Koehler), the film might be criticized for playing it a little too safe.

Montevideo: Taste of a Dream / Montevideo, Bog te video! (dir. Dragan Bjelogrlić, Serbia, 2010, 140 min)—I was amused by this pleasant, well-produced Serbian crowd pleaser, which—though flawed by perhaps a bit too much predictable sentiment—is forgiven because of its generous supply of handsome eye candy and its romanticized reconstruction of the early days of a national soccer team. "Locker room tensions, bedroom dalliances, boardroom strategizing and plenty of well-staged game action."

Niño (dir. Loy Arcenas, Philippines, 100 min)—My Philippine colleagues Oggs Cruz and Dodo Dayao encouraged me to watch Niño, an enjoyable and affecting melodrama about a family as worn about the edges as the delapidated house in which they live. The patriarch has fallen into a coma and his sister Celia, a former opera star, tries to revive him by dressing her grandson up as Santo Niño de Cebú, the Philippine variant of Santo Niño de Atocha, seen here wandering far from his holy chair, running throughout the old house and among the complicated—if not quite modern—lives of its inhabitants. The film's comic flourishes are its highlights.

Omar Killed Me / Omar m'a tuer (dir. Roschdy Zem, Morocco, 2011, 85 min)—Anyone who knows me well is aware that life has made me somewhat of a scofflaw with regard to law enforcement as administered by judges and their "wooly little sheep" lawyers (let alone their police thugs). In fact, I'm not alone in my qualified disrespect of the judiciary and the legal industry. As Joni Mitchell sings, "Money is the road to justice and power walks it on crooked legs." It has long been a dream of mine to one day program a film series about corrupt judges; a theme revealed throughout cinema history as frequently as it has been a presiding concern throughout human history. The U.S. premiere of Roschdy Zem's Omar Killed Me, Morocco's official submission to the foreign language category of the Oscars®, would fit the bill perfectly. This gripping courtroom narrative pitches its melodrama just right to elicit sympathetic outrage over a predictable miscarriage of French justice. The judge in this courtroom is, as the French would say, un véritable asshole. Though Omar Killed Me offers little that is new by way of its indictment of race relations in France, it allows lead actor Sami Bouajila to deliver one of his finest performances ever.

Once Upon A Time In Anatolia / Bir Zamanlar Anadoulu'da (Nuri Bilge Ceylan, Turkey, 2011, 157 min)—Personally recommended by film critic Robert Koehler, I went into Ceylan's Once Upon a Time in Anatolia fearing I might doze off (as I have in his previous films); but, instead, I found myself completely engaged with the film's visual beauty, mordant humor, and pensive laminations on the subtle discrepancy between personal truths and official records. The film's nocturnal first half is a stunning piece of cinematograpy by Gokhan Tiryaki: roadside grasses illuminated by headlights; an apple rolling down a hill into a bubbling brook that carries it—suspensefully—even further, like a dead-end clue. Several members of the PSIFF audience grumbled that, "Nothing happened"; but, nothing could be further from the truth, subjective or otherwise.

After his second viewing of
Anatolia, Robert Koehler commented on Facebook that Once Upon A Time In Anatolia was "even more clearly a great masterpiece, astounding in its visual, narrative and thematic shifts from the early sequences to the latter. It's also one of the most creative adaptation of Chekhov short stories ever done for the cinema." Koehler confirmed that "Chekhov has always been the key literary voice for Ceylan. The stories adapted and massaged and altered for Anatolia are 'On Official Duty,' 'The Examining Magistrate' and 'Happiness'."

Rumble of the Stones / El rumor de las piedras (dir. Alejandro Bellame Palacios, Venezuela, 2011, 101 min)—The U.S. premiere of the interminable Venezuelan film Rumble of the Clichés ... er ... excuse me, Rumble of the Stones was introduced by its director as a film depicting the problems in his country: namely, that films like this are being made about the problems in his country.

To add insult to injury, Ibero-American programmer Hebe Tabachnik carried on to excess about how PSIFF's Awards Buzz program is a "curated" program of films selected from the many official submissions to the foreign language category of the Academy Awards®. I've no doubt that PSIFF's programmers have chosen their favorites, but
Rumble of the Stones was hardly the film to be boasting that fact. This film was about as curated as a beheaded chicken. Followed by a widely-publicized "gala" event, I can only wonder how much Venezuelan money was poured into this so-called curation? "Clearly the worst movie I've ever seen at this festival," Michael Hawley grumbled as we headed to our hotel, conceding that the lead actress Rossana Fernández Díaz did the most she could with the role. "Really?" I countered, "If you ask me, she could have done a lot less."

The Salesman / Le Vendeur (dir. Sébastien Pilote, Canada, 2011, 107 min)—I was saddened by Pilote's Canadian drama The Salesman, and impressed with Gilbert Sicotte's sublime central performance as an aging car salesman trying to keep his stats up in a town hit by economic recession. As a character study, the film tracks the dangers of being too heavily invested in an occupation. As a social metaphor, the film tracks how mutually indebted members of a small community must be in order to not become lost lives in lost times.

The Silver Cliff / O Abismo Prateado (dir. Karim Aïnouz, Brazil, 2011, 85 min)The Silver Cliff won Aïnouz the Première Brazil Best Director Award at the 2011 Rio de Janeiro International Film Festival. His desultory and atmospheric overnight narrative made me wonder how associated urban environments are with narratives of compulsion? The Silver Cliff calmly observes how Violeta (Alessandra Negrini) struggles with conflicted feelings after being deserted by her husband. With only a voicemail advising that he has left Rio de Janeiro for Porto Alegre and that he's not coming back, Violeta at first frantically races to the airport to try to catch him; but, his flight has left and there are no further flights until the following morning. Thus begins her proverbial night of the soul as her emotions ebb and flow like the waves on Rio's beach. At turns accusatory and self-lacerating, Violeta turns to the city for relief, shaking off her sorrow by dancing like a maniac under disco strobe lights, edging into a lustrously-lensed slomo stroll alongside trafficked streets, until a random encounter with a little girl and her father offers Violeta her first glimmerings of hope and acceptance of how her life must change. The film ends with a lovely grace note: when Violeta realizes she has to learn how to say good-bye to the little girl she has befriended in the middle of the night. Not even temporary relief can be held onto when one "joyfully participates in the sorrows of the world."

The Squad / El Páramo (dir. Jaime Osirio Marquez, Colombia, 2011, 90 min)—I'll credit Jaime Osirio Marquez for flexing his genre chops with The Squad. The film will satisfy the indiscriminate enthusiast of horror films. Competent camera work and sound design sustain tension—albeit through familiar tropes—in this disturbing tale of how the Colombian military has demonized the civilian population. Has "The Squad" truly encountered a witch? Or is the war the proverbial witch hunt in which inquisitors break ranks and turn on each other? Irregardless, The Squad has serious issues even as a genre film; partly because of a slippery trend to "dignify" genre films with auteurial flourishes. The film's basic concept of the demonization of the civilian populace by the military, rendered through a local inflection of Colombian witchcraft, had sufficient potential to keep me attentive; but, the one-note shouting matches between the soldiers and the inevitable "let's kill each other off" premise wore thin very fast. Also, I anticipate that unfortunate subtitling will make it difficult for this film to traffic among American audiences, who might perceive it as racist. Still, Marquez shows promise as a genre film director if he practices restraint and paces his film less exhaustively. In gist: his technique shows.

Tatsumi (dir. Eric Khoo, Singapore, 2011, 96 min)—Eric Khoo's engaging animated portrait of Tatsumi Yoshihiro proved a solid introduction to the artist's work. Tatsumi is credited with creating an adult form of manga called gekiga, and director Khoo samples the themes and concerns of gekiga through enactments of five of Tatsumi's most famous stories: survivor's guilt, threatened masculinities, compromised femininities, and the steep percentage paid by creative souls in commodified markets.
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PSIFF 2012: BLACK BREAD (PA NEGRE, 2010)—The Evening Class Interview With Agustí Villaronga and Isona Passola

Agustí Villaronga's Black Bread (Pa Negre, 2010) had its North American premiere at the Palm Springs International Film Festival in its 2011 edition and returned one year later for a one-off screening to celebrate the film's resounding success over the course of the year, including winning nine Goya Awards and being the first Catalan-language film to represent Spain as its official submission to the foreign language category of the Academy Awards®. Sadly, it did not make the final short list but there can be no question that the film has had incredible international reach, compelling the hearts of audiences worldwide.

Born in Palma de Mallorca in 1953, Villaronga obtained his degree in Art History at the University of Barcelona. He began combining work as a professor of visual image, film critic and artistic direction in the theatre. In addition, he has worked as an actor in various film and theatre productions. After directing various short films, his first full length film In A Glass Cage (Tras el cristal) opened in 1987. With Moon Child (El niño de la luna, 1989) he won a Goya award for best original screenplay. In 2000, one of his most personal works, The Sea (El mar), obtained the Manfred Salzberg Award at the Berlin Film Festival. Villaronga's filmography has generally been distinguished by its distance from commercial circuits. In 2002, together with Isaac P. Racine and Lydia Zimmermann, he made the film
Aro Tolbujhin. En la mente del asesino, an audiovisual experiment mixing styles, genres and film formats. My thanks to Núria Costa Salvà of Working At Weekend for arranging time for me to sit down with director Villaronga and his producer Isona Passola.

In full disclosure, this is a paraphrased transcript. With my simple command of Spanish and his of English, my conversation with Villaronga was a mixture of both languages with some third inbetween language of instinct and good will thrown in for good measure. I trust I have remained true, however, to the tenor of our discussion.
[This conversation is not for the spoiler-wary!]

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Michael Guillén: Agustí, you're a filmmaker who isn't as well-known as he should be. Your first films achieved a certain notoriety and controversy, but it wasn't until Black Bread that you broke through to an international audience. This is the film that has caught people's attention.

Agustí Villaronga: That's true, yes.

Guillén: Can you speak to why that is? Because it shares similar themes with your previous films, though perhaps a bit more matured. Still, why do you think audiences are responding to your vision at this time?

Villaronga: This is a question Isona and I have asked ourselves many times. Why is this my first film to have such success? Just as you've realized, there are many of the same elements in
Black Bread as there are in my other films—children in violent situations, ambiguous morality, homosexuality—but, perhaps, less intensely pronounced in Black Bread. This film doesn't grab the audience by the back of the neck like my previous films. Its approach is a bit more relaxed. Also, perhaps, the characters in Black Bread are more ... normal? In my other films, The Sea for example, the characters are mentally unbalanced and sick with tuberculosis; but, in Black Bread there's an old grandmother, the boy Andreu (Francesc Colomer) and his friends, and the father Farriol (Roger Casamajor) who loves his son. Maybe the father is also a murderer; but, he loves his son. He's an ordinary person whose personality has been changed by extraordinary circumstances in his life. By contrast, the two boys in The Sea are already crazy from the beginning of their story and that, possibly, makes it more difficult for the audience to identify with them.

Guillén: Speaking of The Sea, Roger Casamajor—who plays Andreu's father Farriol in Black Bread—is the same actor who played Ramallo in The Sea?

Villaronga: Yes.

Guillén: Which is interesting because his performances moreorless articulate the difference between these two films. He was almost uncomfortable to watch in The Sea because his performance as Ramallo was so intense; but, in Black Bread the intensity of his performance is contained and reflects that the tone of Black Bread is—I don't want to say calmer—but characterized by restraint. Is this a consequence of your maturation as a filmmaker or the effect of the original material on which the film is based, namely Emili Teixidor's novel of the same name?

Villaronga: It has partly to do, yes, with the fact that I'm older. That's important. Time changes a person, especially the way one is deceived by life. You fall in love and are betrayed by love. You try to create but have no success. These deceptions change you. You were someone specific once and then you are who you have become and you don't want to do things the same way. There's no denying that the success of
Black Bread has made me very happy, but that's not why I make films. Success is no longer the most important thing in my life as it was, perhaps, when I was younger.

Guillén: You say that success is not the reason you make films, but won't the success of Black Bread influence the way you make films in the future? Hasn't it opened doors for you?

Villaronga: Yes, it has, and I want my films to open doors. I've always wanted to be accepted by my audiences. Although it was something I'd always imagined, it didn't happen; but now I'm happy—not just because of the success—but because different kinds of people are now connecting to the ideas and the feelings that I'm expressing in my films. That's the most important thing for a filmmaker.

Isona Passola: But Agustí, even though you may not have had success in terms of large audiences, I've accompanied you to many festivals in many countries and wherever we go you have fans who love your work. You have many interesting people who wait for your films. But you're a strange bird, you
are.

Perhaps the success of
Black Bread has to do with the fact that the novel on which it's based was a bestseller in Catalonia, in Spain? You can recognize Agustí's vision in every frame of the film, but Teixidor's novel was already quite accepted by all the major literati of Spain who are able to imagine the book in the film. The novel is full of elements that Agustí loves.

Guillén: And you saw that when you read the book, right? You were the one who brought the novel to Agustí?

Passola: Yes! I saw that the book had all the elements that Agustí loves, but not only the book. Emili Teixidor is a good writer. He has many tales and stories and novels that have subjects that interest Agustí and that are similar to his own subjects. A good author like Teixidor tends to work around the same ideas—the Civil War, the conflicts with children, the ambiguous morality of the adults, mysterious little villages where everything is hidden—and when I read Teixidor's novel, I instantly thought, "This would be wonderful for Agustí!" But I never dreamt his film would be so successful. When the film was released on DVD in Spain, it sold more than 150,000 copies in just two months, more than the release of
Harry Potter. We've seen the same success in Japan and China. Why it should be so popular in those territories, I don't know.

Guillén: But that's what I'm trying to get at: to figure out why that is, why this film has had such immense popular appeal. I imagine myself as a typical American who is stupid about so many things that have happened or are happening in the world. [Both Villaronga and Passola laugh.] I sometimes feel that—if it weren't for film—I wouldn't know anything. This is one of the reasons I love film: it forces me to look at narratives with which filmmakers from their own countries address with concern and passion. By example, Spain's Civil War and Franco's post-war regime: you were a child while Franco was still in power?

Villaronga: Yes.

Guillén: What was that like for you? I presume it has influenced why, perhaps, you are looking at these historical atrocities through the eyes of children?

Villaronga: Ah. Of course, I have been very influenced by experiencing firsthand Franco's regime because the post-war in Spain continued long past the '40s, which is the time depicted in
The Sea and Black Bread. The effects of the post-war continued into the '50s, the '60s, and even into the '70s, especially in one respect: religious repression.

Passola: The false moralism; the pseudo-moralism.

Villaronga: For me, that constant feeling of
picado, of sin, terrified me as a child and into my young adulthood. I was fortunate in being able to travel outside of Spain as a young man, by which I could compare what was happening within Spain. But I have to ask you now the first question you asked us: what do you think is the reason this film is so popular with audiences? Why have audiences accepted Black Bread?

Guillén: I think it has to do with the narrative viewpoint of the children, much like Victor Erice's Spirit of the Beehive (El espíritu de la colmena, 1973) and Guillermo del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth (El laberinto del fauno, 2006). I suspect audiences are more able and willing to look at these historical atrocities if they are framed through the eyes of children, or—as Bay Area journalist Johnny Ray Huston has suggested—through the resistance of children. Is it because audiences identify with the children in the sense that they do not know the historical context so they come at it through the perspective of the children who, themselves, do not understand the historical moment they are experiencing? In other words, is it that audiences perceive these historical atrocities with the same innocence as the children in these narratives and feel—with the children—that their own innocence is being desecrated? As the children are learning, we in the audience are learning at the same time. So I presume it is that element of identification that has had so much to do with the success of Black Bread and, previously, Pan's Labyrinth. I don't offhand know how Spirit of the Beehive was received by audiences upon its release, though I know it was critically praised.

Further, films I have seen about Spanish fascism in the cities are quite different from films about Spanish fascism set in the countryside, which again offsets a certain urban sophistication against the (perhaps romanticized?) innocence of rural folk. Your films, both The Sea and Black Bread, are set in the countryside. So I would have to ask you why you have chosen that pastoral setting to reflect this historical moment?


Villaronga: More because the literary sources for my films have talked about the countryside, both Teixidor's writing for
Black Bread and Blai Bonet's novel for The Sea. I, myself, am not from the country. I was born and raised on the island of Mallorca within the city, the capitol. I didn't know so much about the country.

Passola: Perhaps this is also one of the keys to the film's success? People love the life of the countryside which Teixidor has described so realistically in his novel, and which Agustí has portrayed faithfully in his film. Agustí chose all the locations for his film so that they would match Teixidor's locations.

Villaronga: It's interesting that you say that, Isona, because people frequently mention how realistic
Black Bread is, especially older audience members who were living in the countryside of Catalonia during the 1940s. They say, "Oh, it's just as I remember." But it's not true, eh? It's a convention. The locations of the film seem realistic, the village seems rural and mysterious, but it's actually a very sophisticated reconstruction. Even the dialogue spoken by the characters seems naturalistic, but again it's not true: the language is full of poetic exchanges. The costumes appear simple but they are elaborately designed. The resolution of all of this is that the film arrives as something real, as if it is happening at that moment in time.

Passola: I think what people are seeing as "realistic" is the truth of the story.

Villaronga: But that truth is internal; it's not really in the external details.

Passola: Your question intrigues us because it is the question that every day we ask ourselves. Our success feels strange.

Guillén: Let's shift to something of a delicate question—and I don't mean to be offensive at all, so please bear with me—but, last year at this time I was talking to Icíar Bollaín and she mentioned to me that within the film community in Spain there was something of a political tug-of-war going on between her film Even the Rain (2010) and Álex de la Iglesia's The Last Circus (2010). Do you feel in any way that—because their two films were so at odds—that Black Bread slipped through to victory, notably at the Goyas?

Villaronga: Ah! This is another question altogether about the prizes of the Academy. This is different than the question of how audiences have accepted the film. There was this fight going on at the Goya Awards because one of the filmmakers was the President of the Academy and the other was the Vice-President and they both had films in competition, and it is possible that our film
Black Bread, which was considered less important, gained a certain focus within that controversy.

Passola: But let me say one thing: Agustí is beloved. He's a director who is loved a lot by the academic professionals of Spain. I know this for a fact. I think that the Academy decided, at last, to give him the recognition he had long deserved. For me, this is clear because the voting was very clear. Also, it's true that the Catalan voting was important in this case because in Catalonia everybody loved
Black Bread and 50% of the Academy members are Catalan. Everyone knew that Agustí needed to be recognized and accepted definitively. It was important. And when Black Bread won at the Goyas, the joy of the people at the ceremony was palpable. This was not just a passing fad of popularity.

Guillén: It's interesting to hear you describe this because, here in the United States and among American film journalists, Black Bread's win was perceived as something of a dark horse victory, whereas you frame it as something long overdue in Spain. Admittedly, that's probably because your work has not had much distribution in the United States. Black Bread is the only film of your's that I've seen in a moviehouse, I watched The Sea online at MUBI, and have In A Glass Cage waiting for me by way of Netflix rental when I return home; but, because I have a great love for genre films, I familiarized myself with the body of your work through a series of erudite online career overviews, notably Chris Gallant's article for Kinoeye, Donald Totaro and Roberto Curti's pieces for Offscreen, and Quim Casa's essay for last year's retrospective at Rotterdam (with an attendant video interview conducted during their festival). If I may, I'd like to pursue some of the themes culled out of your body of work by those respective writers.

First of all, Donald Totaro has described your work as "paracinematic", a term coined by genre theorist Jeffrey Sconce, which Totaro describes as being "part of what Carol Clover and Linda Williams have called 'body genres'; genres which place as their prime aim the titillation of the body, those being horror (violence, blood, gore), porn (sexual arousal) and melodrama (weeping)." Your talent—from the little I've been able to see of your work so far—is how you combine these genres with the tropes of arthouse cinema. It strikes me that you're quite conscious about how you employ horror, let's say, to elicit poetry. Am I correct?


Villaronga: Yes, that's true.

Passola: I very much like this theory that Agustí combines art house with genre and that this creates poetry. I know Agustí is a poet. He doesn't know it, but I know it.

Guillén: We both know it. [Villaronga duck his head in embarrassment.]

Passola: I was interested in your comment about how Americans have reacted to Agustí's work. I think American audiences have been receptive and open-minded to his films and I especially feel that now that we've shown
Black Bread around several cities in the United States. People usually say that European audiences are sophisticated and close-minded and that Americans are the opposite and I always thought that was just a theory; but, now—through our festival experience of Black Bread in the U.S.—I think this theory is true. Here in the United States audiences love stories about children; in Europe, no.

Guillén:Is that so?

Passola: American audiences are so open to being
personally affected by Black Bread, which has created a new perception for me about American people.

Guillén: I think American audiences love genre films, which account for their popularity, perhaps moreso than arthouse cinema. Which is why I frequently ask filmmakers how conscious they are about using the tropes of genre to traffic their films to a broader audience. Because even though it's arthouse cinema that seems to traffic best among film festivals, I suspect it's genre films that the majority of audiences really want.

Passola: Are you sure? You think people want genre?

Guillén: It's just my opinion, but I suspect audiences want entertainment, and—generally speaking—are more entertained by genre than arthouse cinema.

Passola: But
Black Bread is not a genre film.

Guillén: Oh, but I disagree. Black Bread has definite genre elements, even as it traffics as foreign arthouse cinema. It has melodramatic elements, which make it sad.

Villaronga: Melodramatic, yes.

Guillén: And it utilizes the horrific.

Villaronga: Yes, the fantastic.

Guillén: These are all genre conventions, but—as I said earlier—Agustí employs them in the service of arthouse cinema, again what Jeffrey Sconce calls paracinema and which Donald Totaro synopsizes as "a cross-generic cinema which eliminates the distinction between high art and trash / exploitation / low art by focusing on visceral emotionalism, on affect." What elevates Black Bread and Agustí's previous films above mere genre, however—what can be understood as their arthouse effect—is their moral ambiguity, which complicates the limitations of genre. What fascinates me in both The Sea and Black Bread, for example, is their exploration of the nature of evil. I would argue that evil is actually natural to the human animal, whereas good is something that has to be learned and practiced.

Villaronga: But this is
your theory, no?

Guillén: Yes, but I'm not alone in thinking this. I've come to this attitude from studying with psychologists and theologians; but, what I'm trying to get at with regard to your films particularly, is the contagious nature of evil and how—when the children in your films witness evil, especially in The Sea—they become susceptible to evil, their innocence falls under evil's influence, or what is already evil within them by nature is triggered by experience. Evil becomes like an infection and spreads. For me that was the strength and the horror of the opening sequence in The Sea where the children witness murder and then commit murder and suicide themselves. The evil of adults enters through the eyes of children and taints their innocence and, at the same time, triggers the ethical response to resist evil.

Villaronga: That's true that evil is contagious but it's my philosophy that children are innocent at the beginning. It's the times they live in and the things that happen to them that change them. In four or five of my films this same theme happens: there is the child, there is the war, the war changes sensibilities, and some of the people are changed for the worse and become bad people. The violence is like a seed.

Passola: We had an amazing interview with psychiatrist Luis Rojas Marcos about this very subject, included in a video of people who have encouraged Black Bread's nomination to the Oscars®.

Villaronga: Rojas Marcos has written a book
Las Semillas de la Violencia (The Seeds of Violence), in which he has explained what I am expressing quite poorly here.

Passola: But concerning
Black Bread, Rojas Marcos has spoken about the post-traumatic stress that stays inside of people after horrific experiences like the Spanish Civil War and its post-war regime. When a situation is a collective trauma in the first or even the second generation, it remains long after in succeeding generations. He speaks very well about this theory as it applies to Black Bread and links it, of course, to the tragedy of the 9/11 World Trade Center. He was called in to help victims of that tragedy.

Villaronga: For me it is a pity that we are talking about such interesting topics when I have such a simple command of English. These topics are already very difficult to discuss.

Guillén: Please, speak to me in Spanish. I will understand you, even if I don't have a full command of spoken Spanish.

Villaronga: I've already mentioned that I was raised with a specific representation of religion, but—in my opinion—human spirituality is more important than religion, especially when we are talking about how evil makes people psychologically—
i.e., spiritually—sick. Therefore, I adore those people who clean the world of this sickness. Normally, most of the people who watch my movies think that I am perverse; but, it's not the truth. In the last seven to eight years, I have become very involved with Buddhist teachings. They have changed me, which of course means they have changed the nature of my work. Many of these things remain unclear for me and I'm not sure how they play into my work; but, basically, I want to think the best of people and the world.

Passola: It's true! Agustí is very generous, moreso than I am. When I'm critical of someone, he'll say, "Don't say that." He always forgives everyone for everything. His spirituality is a very important element of his films.

Guillén: This I understand from Agustí's critique of the Catholic religiosity evident in his films. I was going to ask you if you were still Catholic, but now you tell me you are leaning the way of Buddhism, which believe me I fully support. But what I understand from reading about the cultural reaction to the repressive Catholicism of the post-war Franco regime is that—when Franco finally fell from power and Spanish artists and intellectuals felt they could express themselves again—one of the first waves of that expression was a collective need to "let it all hang out" and to explore the pseudo-morality you referenced earlier used by the Catholic hierarchy to enforce the unnatural and the artificial, and to do so by underscoring the perverse hypocrisies of the Catholic hierarchy and its support of fascism, something Guillermo del Toro emphasized when I spoke to him about Pan's Labyrinth.

This leads me to ask about one of your more controversial thematic concerns: the use of homoeroticism in your films. In The Sea it struck me that the homoeroticism was being placed alongside all that was fascist and evil; but, in Black Bread, the homosexual character was clearly the victim in this narrative and the violence committed against him was the seed of evil. Which obliges me to ask—despite what we've already determined are similar elements—how closely does your film follow the novel?


Villaronga: [Chuckles.] It's very far from the book. Of course, Teixidor's vision is easier; it's a simpler narrative line to follow.

Passola: It's more black and white.

Villaronga: When Isona came to me with the book, I admitted to her that I didn't understand it very well, or why she wanted me to think about it for a film because it was so normal, so simple, so clear. I was also reluctant because there had already been many movies made about the Spanish Civil War. But then I read Teixidor's other works and was particularly impressed with
The Portrait Of A Bird Killer and when I considered combining the two books, I became more enthused. For example, the character of Farriol the father in my movie is complicated. Half of him is a good man, as in the novel, and the other half—taken from Portrait Of A Bird Killer—is absolutely bad. By combining both, we created one complex character. By doing so, we were able to better describe how war visited misery upon these people. The melodrama becomes not just a melodrama but opens up into new possibilities of forgiveness.

Passola: Agustí always finds something good in the bad and something bad in the good. This is his ability. It was not in the book and it was not in my idea of what could be done with the book. Agustí's participation with this project was his capacity to make the morality of these individuals ambiguous.

Villaronga: Another example would be the girl Núria (Marina Comas). In the book she is girlish and constantly crying. But in
The Portrait Of A Bird Killer, there is an 11-year-old boy who has lost his hand. Again, I combined the two characters and the composite was stronger.

Guillén: I respect what you're saying, but for me it was not so much about forgiving good people for what is bad within them. I don't want to forgive Farriol for what he's done; I want to understand him for what he's done, even if he's done so in a bad way. Your film thins the membrane between good and evil and shows how this membrane is within everyone, adult and child alike.

Villaronga: I like to dissect my main characters, open them up, to reveal all that is inside them. I'm not afraid of what I'll find.

Guillén: But even as you dissect your characters to reveal them, you are respectful of this mysterious process by which they can be both good and bad. This might be confusing to some of your audience members who, perhaps, would want the story to be more black-and-white like the novel; but, for me this is your poetic impulse. A poet asks you to go with an image to see what it makes you feel. The audience isn't supposed to always know everything, even as they feel many different things. This, for me, has always been the power of an image: that it can contain contradictions without resolution. For example, the sequence where you have the beautiful boy bathing by the water, moving his arms as if he were a bird flapping its wings is sublime and mysterious. Is he half bird? Who is he? Why does he appear just then in the story? Ultimately, it didn't matter to me because he was simply a beautiful image within a complicated narrative. It would be unfair to ask you: what does this specifically mean?

Passola: Further, the point of view is Andreu's point of view. He never discovers the whole truth. The film's point of view is that of the children and the boy doesn't fully understand everything that is happening. He discovers aspects of the truth. For me this is wonderful and Agustí and I often discussed whether or not audiences would understand these beautiful images; but, finally, he decided to just go ahead and film it the way he saw it.

Guillén: Another very mysterious sequence was when Andreu went into the cave and had a vision of what had actually happened in the past. Just a moment ago I said it wasn't fair to ask you what something specifically means; but, here I go contradicting myself because I want to confirm my impressions of this castration sequence. You set it up so vaguely with the ghost of the delicate boy Pitorliua buttoning up his shirt who is then approached by, I assume, the brother of Señora Manubens? She has forced her brother to marry a woman in another country at the same time that she has sought to discredit his inheritance so she can have everything for herself. She had paid Dionís and Farriol to scare off Pitorliua, but they took it too far and castrated him. Señora Manubens subsequently hired Farriol to kill Dionís, which is the opening sequence of the film. Am I following this correctly?

Villaronga:
Perfect! [Laughs.]

Passola: [Laughs.] You are probably the
only one who understands this!

Villaronga: You are very clever because there is only one clue in the film that explains this and it's when Andreu's mother Florència (Nora Navas) finally reveals to him that Pitorliua was castrated, which she does very quickly. But the important part is not that the audience understands fully the particulars of what has happened; the important part is that the boy realizes his father has lied to him.

Passola: But the ending of the film is tough because—despite the fact that the mother Florència loves Andreu—he chooses to cut himself loose from her because he feels betrayed by his father, even though she is a good mother.

Guillén: I was more affected by his cutting off ties with his cousin Núria, specifically when she came running after him and said, "You promised me" and he responded, "If I can leave my mother, I can leave you." That's what was important for me, that in order for him to become himself—a young man in his own right—he had to cut himself off from the feminine influences. The mystery of this narrative is that his father committed a crime that, in effect, allows Andreu to become independent, albeit by default. I understood this because I had to do the same in my own life. At the age of 15, I had to cut myself off from my family, cut myself off from my mother, so that I could go into the world to become myself.

Villaronga:
Why?

Guillén: Well, it's complicated but, basically, it was because my individuality was being stifled by the traditions of my family. They were already meddling in my business and trying to manipulate who I would become.

Villaronga: Ah yes, they were trying to
control you?

Guillén: Yes. I was a creative person with a will of my own and I couldn't stand their interference so the only thing I knew to do was to leave home at 15 to live on my own terms. I knew early on that I thought and felt differently than the rest of my family. This is also, perhaps, why I was struck in your film by how anyone who spoke the truth was characterized as crazy. I loved the sequence in the cemetery when Andreu encounters Pauletta (Laia Marull), the mother of his friend Culet, the boy who died, and she speaks the truth. Everyone wants to say she's crazy because the truth itself is crazy.

Passola: Laia Marull is a very important actress in our country.

Guillén: So to wrap up here, your films have exhibited this continuous thematic thread of concerns that have expressed your creative vision, culminating popularly with Black Bread. Do you feel you are done with these themes or will you continue to explore them in future films?

Villaronga: I don't know.

Passola: Agustí is accepting offers to make other films. For example, he just shot a television series Una carta para Evita (A Letter For Evita, 2011) about Evita Perón.

Guillén: You've just made a film about Evita Perón?!

Villaronga: I just finished shooting, yes. It's both about Evita Perón and Carmen Polo, the women of Franco. It's a fantastic story.

Guillén: Well, I certainly look forward to seeing that in the future, along with the rest of your work that I've not seen. Thank you so much for taking the time today to speak with me. Your work is beautiful.

Villaronga: I am very happy with all of your opinions.
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